>> okay. >> bill: so more oil is being produced in the united states. >> right. >> bill: despite him clamping down on the drilling in the oceans and on federal land. okay. >> right. >> bill: then why are prices going up if more oil is being produced? >> prices are going up for two primary reasons, aside from simply the fact that we are not bringing up production that would satisfy total demand, two reasons, one is we have seen constriction at refineries necessary to create gasoline and petroleum products. and the second is we have actually seen some fall-off in production of north american oil, particularly the mexican oil fields are producing less. >> bill: but we have plenty of oil. everybody says there is plenty of oil and gas around. >> there is if we were producing it and, in fact, we could be energy-independent but we are not. >> bill: all right. you heard the guys right -- >> -- i heard the guys. >> bill: they say romney landslide and you say? >> i say the progressive is persuasive. he has a model that has worked since 1980 without fail. and i think we have to listen to that.